I have read some where is some book or website that stated that if the sign was in the late or early degrees that the chart is not readable or invalid? why? what means if in latter degrees and is 24.4 degrees to late? also, if asked a question pertaining to a matter and the moon is in very late degrees of a...

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  1. Anonymous

    What you're referring to are variously called, the strictures or considerations before judgment. Almost every horary textbook mentions them, astrologers have a tendency to ignore them. The idea is that one or more of these things in a chart indicate the questions can't be answered at this time. I say baloney.

    These things should be taken as warnings to the astrologer that there could be something bit tricky and the obvious answer should be looked at closely to see if it is actually correct. the saying is "As above, so below." Not "As above, so below every now and then."

    The consideration is I think if 27 or more degrees or rising the chart is not "radical" because it is too late for the answer. If it is one to three degrees it is supposedly too soon. If you apply all of the considerations and junk each chart that says violates one consideration, you'll find there are almost no charts that meet the criteria particularly the one about the ruler of the ASC being the same as the planetary hour.

    The person who named them "strictures" was Barbara Watters and you would do well to study horary without her. The absolute best and a necessity for any horary astrologer is William Lilly's Christian Astrology book 2. It is not easy reading and most students put it off for a bit. I say tough it out. It gets easy to read after some practice.

    If you want a more modern take, Anthony Louis "Horary Astrology Plain and Simple" is very good and Olivia Barclay's "Horary Astrology Rediscovered" is also excellent. But eventually you'll need Lilly.

    Goldstein is OK if you know how to avoid the pitfalls. She was a fine astrologer, but what was known about the old practice of horary when she was active has been enhanced considerably since. You could keep her until later, or do what I did, ignore her completely.

  2. Been There

    Your chart is valid .. as long as:
    - the question is about you
    - the Moon is not Void of Course
    - there is an applying aspect between your significator and the significator of whatever house rules the matter you are asking about.

    You read right .. the writer just didn't clarify what they meant by "late" or "early" in the sign.
    "Late in the sign" means 28 or 29 degrees on the Ascendant.
    "Early in the sign" means 0 or 1 degrees on the Ascendant.

    Understand that the horary chart tells you what is/will be unfolding in relation to the question you have asked.

    BUT is the question about YOU? If so, then you use the Ascendant as the 1st house of the horary. If, instead, it is about you child, then you turn the chart so that the 5th house becomes the "1st house of the Horary" ... so an Ascendant of 29 degrees (before you turn the chart) would not relate to the question about your child.
    But note that a question about your child, if when you turn the chart the NEW Ascendant is 28 or 29 degrees, the "too late" rule applies.

    As far as "too late" .. it means the matter has already been settled and you just don't know it yet. Or it means that nothing further will happen.
    "Too early" ... means the matter is not going to develop any further. If it is an idea or venture, the idea/venture will be dropped.

    BUT if you (or the person you are asking about) HAS a planet or a house cusp in THEIR natal chart that is the same sign and degree as their significator in the horary chart, then you CAN read the chart. It is not invalid ... but remember that there is some sort of caution about reading the chart ... some uncertainty, some "if".

    Also, if the Moon is Void of Course, nothing is going to happen with the matter asked about. OR if the question is about something bad maybe happening, nothing bad will happen.

    THE FINAL SAY ... You need to have at least THREE things that confirm a "yes" answer in the chart. And the number of "no" answers must not exceed the number of "yes" answers.

    In the end, reading a horary is a matter of balancing out all the factors and arriving at a conclusion from them.

    Also remember that "should I?" questions cannot be answered by a horary chart. It answer yes/no questions. And make SURE you are asking the RIGHT question .. what you truly mean.
    My first horary chart ever, the guy's wife was away visiting mom in Florida and kept on postponing coming back home. So he asked if she was going to stay at her mom's house. The horary answer was "no".
    And she didn't stay with mom. She left mom's and moved to Massachusetts.
    But she never came back to her husband in Missouri .. his REAL question SHOULD have been "Will she return to ME?" because that was what he really wanted to know.
    Always make sure the question is very very clear.

    Go buy "Simplified Horary Astrology" by Ivy M. Goldstein-Jacobson. It is the "bible" for horary readings. Check out or

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